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		<title>By: Alex Karelis</title>
		<link>http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/03/01/surviving-with-wolves-author-comes-clean/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Karelis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that the story is valueless, but my enjoyment of (and in fact, whether I care at all about )a story about a true event depends heavily on whether it is presented as fiction or non-fiction. There are a lot of great fictional Holocaust stories out there, but now that Captain America is dead, I imagine the quality is starting to go down. 

True stories of atrocity draw their impact from the fact that they actually happened. We empathize with the characters because they are or were real. If I want to read about misery that didn&#039;t happen, I&#039;ll swing by Fan-Fiction.net and check out some Harry Potter slash, (or if I want to be a little more literate, read some Joyce Carol Oates). That&#039;s not going to happen, though, because catharsis that isn&#039;t grounded in reality is a huge waste of my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that the story is valueless, but my enjoyment of (and in fact, whether I care at all about )a story about a true event depends heavily on whether it is presented as fiction or non-fiction. There are a lot of great fictional Holocaust stories out there, but now that Captain America is dead, I imagine the quality is starting to go down. </p>
<p>True stories of atrocity draw their impact from the fact that they actually happened. We empathize with the characters because they are or were real. If I want to read about misery that didn&#8217;t happen, I&#8217;ll swing by Fan-Fiction.net and check out some Harry Potter slash, (or if I want to be a little more literate, read some Joyce Carol Oates). That&#8217;s not going to happen, though, because catharsis that isn&#8217;t grounded in reality is a huge waste of my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon McAlpin</title>
		<link>http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/03/01/surviving-with-wolves-author-comes-clean/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon McAlpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right: my point is that there is nothing to be &quot;appreciated,&quot; no truths can be proven, by lies.

If this exact same story were presented as fiction, it could potentially have value, of course -- if it were well-written -- which, not having read it, I can&#039;t comment upon.

There are worthwhile, fictional tales of survival (J. P. Stassen&#039;s Deogratias, from First Second, for instance), and the truths you can find in it are of a general nature: about Rwanda itself, its culture, its depiction of how things happened in the genocide and its aftermath…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right: my point is that there is nothing to be &#8220;appreciated,&#8221; no truths can be proven, by lies.</p>
<p>If this exact same story were presented as fiction, it could potentially have value, of course &#8212; if it were well-written &#8212; which, not having read it, I can&#8217;t comment upon.</p>
<p>There are worthwhile, fictional tales of survival (J. P. Stassen&#8217;s Deogratias, from First Second, for instance), and the truths you can find in it are of a general nature: about Rwanda itself, its culture, its depiction of how things happened in the genocide and its aftermath…</p>
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		<title>By: Caolan</title>
		<link>http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/03/01/surviving-with-wolves-author-comes-clean/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Caolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying that &quot;Wolves&quot; has no merit because it was initially presented as a true memoir, and was meant to be appreciated for it&#039;s existence as a true story, and the fact that it isn&#039;t true means that there isn&#039;t anything to be appreciated? I think I get you. I apologize if I&#039;m not grasping this fully. 

How would you feel about the story, though, if it were originally presented as being complete fiction? Would it have value then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying that &#8220;Wolves&#8221; has no merit because it was initially presented as a true memoir, and was meant to be appreciated for it&#8217;s existence as a true story, and the fact that it isn&#8217;t true means that there isn&#8217;t anything to be appreciated? I think I get you. I apologize if I&#8217;m not grasping this fully. </p>
<p>How would you feel about the story, though, if it were originally presented as being complete fiction? Would it have value then?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon McAlpin</title>
		<link>http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/03/01/surviving-with-wolves-author-comes-clean/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon McAlpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in my response to Instigator, the point of fiction is to admire it for the beauty of its storytelling, the general psychological truths contained in its characters, a clever plot, vividly detailed setting, or any number of other things.

Fiction is NOT the same thing as a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in my response to Instigator, the point of fiction is to admire it for the beauty of its storytelling, the general psychological truths contained in its characters, a clever plot, vividly detailed setting, or any number of other things.</p>
<p>Fiction is NOT the same thing as a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Caolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that by that same logic, fantasy and science fiction stories have absolutely no merit whatsoever. 
Of course, I just may be misinterpreting what you&#039;re saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that by that same logic, fantasy and science fiction stories have absolutely no merit whatsoever.<br />
Of course, I just may be misinterpreting what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon McAlpin</title>
		<link>http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/03/01/surviving-with-wolves-author-comes-clean/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon McAlpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. That is the most ridiculous statement -- &quot;ever.&quot; Anyway, I stand by it.

When Hollywood adapts a story, they at least admit it when they change shit -- not always on screen, but off. The key is where the point of a story lies: if the substance of her story is to say (essentially) &quot;truth is stranger than fiction,&quot; as it is in Misha, but the story is a lie, then it serves no function and is useless.

In fiction, the point is &quot;to admire it intensely,&quot; as Oscar Wilde said of all art: for its storytelling, its artifice... characters, plot, any number of things. In memoirs -- in all non-fiction -- it is to convey literal, factual truth. Nobody says, &quot;You know, those articles by Jayson Blair were plagiarized and partly made up, but gosh, they were well-written.&quot; Why should you make apologies for this woman? THAT&#039;S riduculous. Non-fiction is badly written if it is full of lies, by its very definition.

Okay, here&#039;s an example:

The Diving Bell and the Butterfly -- the film -- was fictionalized from the memoir by Jean-Dominique Bauby. The point of the memoir was, &quot;I had a stroke, got completely paralyzed except for one eye, and I wrote a book about it by blinking his left eye -- seriously!&quot; In the movie, the man&#039;s wife stands by him after the stroke, and his mistress never visits him. In the book (and in life), his mistress stayed by his side, not his wife. The book even adds an extra child, for some reason I can&#039;t fully comprehend.

While they bothered me, these changes -- these lies, if you get down to it -- were tolerable because they were not the substance of the film. The substance is -- &quot;a guy has a stroke, is completely paralyzed except for one eye, and he writes a book by blinking his left eye -- holy shit!&quot; -- is true and therefore valuable.

The substance of Misha was a complete lie, and therefore it is worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. That is the most ridiculous statement &#8212; &#8220;ever.&#8221; Anyway, I stand by it.</p>
<p>When Hollywood adapts a story, they at least admit it when they change shit &#8212; not always on screen, but off. The key is where the point of a story lies: if the substance of her story is to say (essentially) &#8220;truth is stranger than fiction,&#8221; as it is in Misha, but the story is a lie, then it serves no function and is useless.</p>
<p>In fiction, the point is &#8220;to admire it intensely,&#8221; as Oscar Wilde said of all art: for its storytelling, its artifice&#8230; characters, plot, any number of things. In memoirs &#8212; in all non-fiction &#8212; it is to convey literal, factual truth. Nobody says, &#8220;You know, those articles by Jayson Blair were plagiarized and partly made up, but gosh, they were well-written.&#8221; Why should you make apologies for this woman? THAT&#8217;S riduculous. Non-fiction is badly written if it is full of lies, by its very definition.</p>
<p>Okay, here&#8217;s an example:</p>
<p>The Diving Bell and the Butterfly &#8212; the film &#8212; was fictionalized from the memoir by Jean-Dominique Bauby. The point of the memoir was, &#8220;I had a stroke, got completely paralyzed except for one eye, and I wrote a book about it by blinking his left eye &#8212; seriously!&#8221; In the movie, the man&#8217;s wife stands by him after the stroke, and his mistress never visits him. In the book (and in life), his mistress stayed by his side, not his wife. The book even adds an extra child, for some reason I can&#8217;t fully comprehend.</p>
<p>While they bothered me, these changes &#8212; these lies, if you get down to it &#8212; were tolerable because they were not the substance of the film. The substance is &#8212; &#8220;a guy has a stroke, is completely paralyzed except for one eye, and he writes a book by blinking his left eye &#8212; holy shit!&#8221; &#8212; is true and therefore valuable.</p>
<p>The substance of Misha was a complete lie, and therefore it is worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Instigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Instigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a &#039;memoir&#039; built upon lies is inherently not a good story and therefore of no value whatsoever.&quot;


That has got to be the most ridiculous statement I&#039;ve ever read.  You say it as if you believe that there are no lies in memoirs, as if autobiographies are all pinnacles of truth.  Please, do you think there are no fish stories in autobiographies?  

Any story that generates an emotional response in the reader or viewer has value.  Sure, you may feel betrayed by the premise going in, but that&#039;s baggage you&#039;ve brought with you.  

You&#039;re getting pissed an an author for doing to her own life story what Hollywood has been doing to &quot;True Stories&quot; for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a &#8216;memoir&#8217; built upon lies is inherently not a good story and therefore of no value whatsoever.&#8221;</p>
<p>That has got to be the most ridiculous statement I&#8217;ve ever read.  You say it as if you believe that there are no lies in memoirs, as if autobiographies are all pinnacles of truth.  Please, do you think there are no fish stories in autobiographies?  </p>
<p>Any story that generates an emotional response in the reader or viewer has value.  Sure, you may feel betrayed by the premise going in, but that&#8217;s baggage you&#8217;ve brought with you.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re getting pissed an an author for doing to her own life story what Hollywood has been doing to &#8220;True Stories&#8221; for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Caolan</title>
		<link>http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/03/01/surviving-with-wolves-author-comes-clean/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Caolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, A Million Little Pieces was only partially fabricated, which goes to explain why many public libraries have it still shelved under non-fiction. But you are right, as a memoir, fiction or not, it should be based on truth. 
And yet, if people were entertained by the story, does that not mean that it achieved it&#039;s purpose?
When it comes down to it, this woman exploited an awful event for millions, and clearly she deserves whatever she gets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, A Million Little Pieces was only partially fabricated, which goes to explain why many public libraries have it still shelved under non-fiction. But you are right, as a memoir, fiction or not, it should be based on truth.<br />
And yet, if people were entertained by the story, does that not mean that it achieved it&#8217;s purpose?<br />
When it comes down to it, this woman exploited an awful event for millions, and clearly she deserves whatever she gets.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon McAlpin</title>
		<link>http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/03/01/surviving-with-wolves-author-comes-clean/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon McAlpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, it&#039;s A Million Little Pieces all over again. And, like then, I&#039;m inclined to disagree: even good fiction needs a kernel of truth in it to be of any value; a &quot;memoir&quot; built upon lies is inherently not a good story and therefore of no value whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, it&#8217;s A Million Little Pieces all over again. And, like then, I&#8217;m inclined to disagree: even good fiction needs a kernel of truth in it to be of any value; a &#8220;memoir&#8221; built upon lies is inherently not a good story and therefore of no value whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Caolan</title>
		<link>http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/03/01/surviving-with-wolves-author-comes-clean/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Caolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This feels like a repeat of what happened to &quot;A Million Little Pieces&quot;. Do you think most of the people who read it will really change their minds about it? When it comes down to it, it&#039;ll still be a good story. I&#039;m not condoning what she did, I&#039;m just making a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This feels like a repeat of what happened to &#8220;A Million Little Pieces&#8221;. Do you think most of the people who read it will really change their minds about it? When it comes down to it, it&#8217;ll still be a good story. I&#8217;m not condoning what she did, I&#8217;m just making a point.</p>
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